Chat with Colin Wilson
- Author of
The Outsider, The Occult, and From
Atlantis to the Sphinx.
Sunday, November 1, 1998, 5:00pm US Pacific Time
held at Talk City (www.talkcity.com)
FlowCCC: Your second new release, "Alien
Dawn", examines the whole field of alien
visitations and other strange phenomena. From the
research you did, what are your conclusions about
the various "alien contact" experiences
ColinWilson: I started off by being totally
ColinWilson: It seemed to me that all this stuff
about alien abduction was some kind of an
ColinWilson: These people were psychologically
ColinWilson: At this point, I bumped into an old
Professor John Mack from Harvard,
and John had been studying alien abduction for
the past 5 years.
ColinWilson: He had concluded that these people
were *not* psychiatricly disturbed.
ColinWilson: On the contrary - they seemed
perfectly psychologically healthy and normal.
ColinWilson: Now, what these people were telling
John and various other investigators like Budd
Hopkins was this:
ColinWilson: they claimed that they had been
awakened in their beds in the middle of the night
and found themselves surrounded by small gray
creatures with enormous black eyes.
ColinWilson: They had then found themselves drawn
from their beds... often through the wall.
ColinWilson: They were taken to some alien
ColinWilson: There they had found another type of
creature taller than the little things who had
abducted them - creatures whom they felt to be
some kind of surgeon or doctor.
ColinWilson: In the case of women, what happens
very often, was that after being subjected to
some kind of medical examination, they had had
some kind of seed implanted into the womb.
ColinWilson: After that, they woke up in their
own beds with all memory of the episode
ColinWilson: But of one thing they were all quite
certain... they were pregnant.
ColinWilson: Then, in case after case, the
pregnancy suddenly disappeared.
ColinWilson: Doctors would admit that they had no
idea how the pregnancy had apparently disappeared
so quickly, leaving behind no sign of a
ColinWilson: Little by little, both John Mack and
Budd Hopkins and various other investigators,
like the historian Professor David Jacobs, came
to the conclusion that what was happening, was
that the fetuses were being taken away after 3
months development in the womb, and then were
being brought up by aliens.
ColinWilson: I had spent 18 months studying this
same material and I had no doubt whatsoever of
the genuineness of the phenomena.
ColinWilson: But it also seemed to me that there
is no evidence whatsoever that these aliens are
LLLUCKY1: yes why do we perceive aliens as
ColinWilson: I had believed for the past 40 years
since the publication of my first book, The
Outsider, in 1956, that man is on the point of an
evolutionary leap to a higher stage.
ColinWilson: This has become a matter of urgent
ColinWilson: The human race is stuck in a kind of
ColinWilson: The Indian saint Rama Krishna has a
parable about a tiger leaping on a flock of sheep
and discovering among them a tiger which believes
itself to be a sheep.
ColinWilson: When it seized this grass eating
tiger, it bleated piteously and tried to escape.
ColinWilson: "Look, you are not a sheep, you
are a tiger."
ColinWilson: But the tiger was not convinced
until the other tiger had smeared blood on its'
mouth and it licked it with appreciation.
ColinWilson: I have come to believe that the
human race is in the position of the grass eating
ColinWilson: We are totally convinced that our
powers are extremely limited.
ColinWilson: This is the result of two centuries
of materialistic and technological evolution.
ColinWilson: My own researches into the area of
the paranormal had already convinced me that
human beings possess paranormal powers of which
they are unaware, and I suspect that the 'aliens'
are doing their best to demonstrate that we are
not sheep but tigers - or rather, 'aliens' like
ColinWilson: In others words, we are encountering
an enormous paradigm shift.
BLUEHUMMINGBIRD: Do you think that as we
enter a new millennium we will form a new
partnership with aliens, one not dictated by our
governments? Will humans find a new evolution of
body and mind? And, have you had any such alien
ColinWilson: I'll answer the last question first.
ColinWilson: For some reason, the aliens never
choose anyone who might end by giving them
ColinWilson: So, no writer, for example, has ever
been abducted with the single exception of
ColinWilson: (He was virtually unknown at the
time of his abduction.)
ColinWilson: Now, I am fairly certain that some
great change is going to take place, but I
believe that this change has already been
foreshadowed many times over the past half
century since UFO's were first reported near Mt.
Rainier in Washington State in 1947.
ColinWilson: In fact, of course, we have reports
of "flying saucers" which date as far
back as Alexander the Great and ancient Egypt,
from landings of what look like solid craft to
the present wave of alien abductions.
ColinWilson: In fact, observers like John Keel
noted as far back as the 1950's that these alien
craft change color as they land, going down
through all of the colors of the spectrum, and
that when they take off again, all of these
colors are repeated in reverse until the craft
ColinWilson: They also noted that they gave off a
dangerous amount of microwave radiation.
ColinWilson: Keel deduced from this that these
are not normal solid craft made of metal, but
some kind of craft that can move
ColinWilson: IN fact, it becomes perfectly
obvious that the so called 'aliens' possess many
of the powers ascribed traditionally to ghosts
and poltergeists-- although I cam quite certain
that we are dealing with a completely different
FlowCCC: There are sooo many questions we'd love
to ask, but I know we're out of time - any
closing thoughts you'd like to share with us,
ColinWilson: Only this--
ColinWilson: that when I said in 1956 that I was
convinced that the human race is on the brink
evolutionary leap to a higher stage -- as I heard
myself saying this during a lecture to the
Bernard Shaw Society, I was not sure whether I
was saying it for effect or whether I really
ColinWilson: I realize that I not only meant it,
but that it was one of the most fundamental
insights of my life.
ColinWilson: Now I believe the time is getting
ColinWilson: The human race has been stuck in a
kind of evolutionary cul-de-sac for around 2
ColinWilson: Looking back over my work from The
Outsider onward, I see that this was the question
that preoccupied me from the beginning.
ColinWilson: Those "Outsiders" of the
19th century had extraordinary glimpses of sheer
ecstasy-- like VanGogh's painting "The
ColinWilson: However, they did not believe in the
objective reality of this ecstasy-- they thought
that it was kind of a temporary drunkenness.
ColinWilson: All my work since then has convinced
me that what VanGogh glimpsed in the Starry
Night is in fact the ultimate
destiny of human consciousness.
ColinWilson: As to how this can be achieved, I
have always felt that the answer lies in an
anecdote of the Zen master Ikkyu.
ColinWilson: A workman asked Ikkyu to write
"something significant" on his tablet.
ColinWilson: The master wrote
ColinWilson: The man looked puzzled and said
"that did not seem very significant."
He asked him to write something else.
ColinWilson: This time, Ikkyu wrote,
ColinWilson: The workman asked with a kind of
exasperation, "What does attention
ColinWilson: Ikkyu replied, "Attention means
ColinWilson: It seems to me that the answer lies
ColinWilson: Doctor Johnson once said that a man
never feels so alive as when he knows he is about
to be hanged.
Entire Chat: http://www.talkcity.com/religions/transcripts/colinwilson1101.html
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