UFOs - discussions at Delphi Forums - 1999


UFOs - Discussions at Delphi Forums - 1999

UFOs and the Bible:

At night sometimes you can see craft in the sky that have no sequence to the lights they use, some sort of craft with colored lights that shine with no fixed pattern and which make no noise. And if you recognize each other, they may dance for you and show you wondrous things. It could be something very unusual. I have tried many times to make out their shape against the dark background, but they also seem to have some haze or something about them. Yet the craft's lights shine clearly and seem to make a completely circular ring around its lower half. I think that possibly they can do just about anything with light and gravity, more than we might be able to understand.

And when seeking to spot UFOs at night, since they scan your brainwaves and read your mind as they appear, maybe it is best not to think at all but to keep an open mind with a sense of awe and wonder. But be attentive - looking, listening, and feeling. And if you think at all, let your thoughts be good. I don't think they want to know the garbage in most people's minds. What you need is great patience. I've been watching and waiting for many years. Most "aliens" though can probably suggest telepathically that your own desperate minds believe anything when faced with those situations, unless you are prepared to accept the truth. Or, your mind itself can try to defend its beliefs by tricking you and passing it off as nothing. You should really look into those things. I don't really think their appearances were meant to frighten us.

I call upon "them" myself. Perhaps that's why I see so many. Those who are more open to it would receive the visitations much more easily. And if you never look into the sky, it's doubtful that you will ever see one. Maybe you should take some time off from your "mundane world" every now and then, and have a look... And, just because they haven't chosen to contact or reveal themselves to you personally yet, it doesn't mean that they haven't been here for ages or that they don't exist. I am very intrigued by my extraterrestrial visits and I want to know more about our visitors. I'm also sorry that I'm spending so much time here on the internet, and not in standing meditation waiting for them to appear.

"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."
Isaiah 55:6&7

Apparently they have been watching us for a long time now, with their civilizations being far older and much more advanced than ours. And, they seem to keep a distance from us when they could have interferred in our doings a long time ago. They also could contact us anytime they wish, if they so desired. So far they seem to only be a help to us and have not done any harm that I know of. But I wasn't even remembering the example made of Sodom and Gomorrah as explained in Genesis 19.

Maybe they are here now to help us keep from destroying ourselves. The threat to the environment is great, and biospheric and atmospheric lose cannot be corrected easily. Overpopulation is a great burden. But, the greatest threat is still nuclear war.

From: XXXX Aug-10 12:43 pm To: ALL (1 of 2) 77.1 next
where is the best place to get the scoop on who are the elohim and where are they from? i've read sitchin - some big clues there - where else? are they from orion? who is Yehweh? from where? thanks-

From: BlueHummingbird (BLUEHUMM) Aug-10 7:23 pm To: XXXX unread (2 of 2) 77.2 in reply to 77.1 prev
These names are from the Hebrew Bible. "Yahweh" is the Lord God. I think "Elohim" means the godhead or trinity - The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But that word also might refer to the entire family of God including angels. Angels are messengers to the God and from the God to us. "Yahweh" is based on the holy name we use for the Lord God. It is taken from the four letters in Hebrew of Y H W H, called the Tetragrammaton. In the Hebrew only the consonants were used, leading me to think that the name might have even had four syllables in it. "Yahweh" is spirit. He is the Creator of all - through His Word, "Jesus", "Yeshou",
"Yi-Shao"?, whom John says became flesh and dwelt among us. Prophecy does suggest a war in heaven between the angels, and that Satan (the adversary) will come to earth then and rule for a short time. I can't really say what these visions mean. And though there are many other dire prophecies, I try to keep a positive outlook. But, it is hard. I hope for peace, and that the earth will live on. And in reply to another question, I don't know of any accounts of physical battles between YHWH and Baal. But, there are many battles in which He was involved in the history of Israel. (Once, there was a warrior who fought as the champion of Israel with Joshua.) Joshua 5:13-15 "..captain of the host of the Lord.."

The "angels" of the Bible have always been considered extraterrestrial in nature. It might not have been until some depictions in paintings thousands of years ago that people thought of them as babies with tiny wings, the symbol of the wings meaning that they could fly. I know that angels are certainly spiritual beings (as are we all), and are said to be superior to mankind. There are also angels who are only spirit. They are all called messengers of God, and many of them are also called the "host" or army of the God.

"... and the angels of God met him. And when Jacob saw them, he said, This is God's host ..."
Genesis 32
Starting at verse 24, it says that Jacob wrestled with an angel that named him Israel.

"The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place...O sing praises unto the Lord: Selah: To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old: ..." Psalms 68:17,32,33

"... and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel. ..."
Ezekiel 1

As to the "Star": A star could signify just about any astral-type object to them back then. A MOVING star led the Magi to the baby Jesus. I think it was the planet Venus that was also called the "morning star". And consider today what are called "falling stars". At night any object in the sky might look "astral". I know many people think that these are only myths.

In reply to your question of who was that angel on the Mount of Olives with Jesus: That angel might have been the archangel named Michael, since in Matthew 26:53 Jesus said he had a small host to call upon (over 12,000 angels?). He also had a choice there in the Garden of Gethsemane. He prayed that God's will be done.

"Explain This:"
Luke 4:28-32

(My replies to another's questions:)
1) Well, if angels are from earth, why don't we go find them and talk to them? Angels were often said to have come from "heaven" or the skies. Extraterrestrial would be any thing not from earth.
2) The Bible said we were made in God's image. Might not the angels be also? Some people have said our own genes have been changed to make us more like ETs.
3) Other and parallel dimensions are probably above our ability to discuss scientifically here, being beyond our current level of understanding.
4) I never said Jesus was an ET, though I admit it's possible he was half extraterrestrial since his biological father was said to be God. Matthew 1:18-21

"For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world." John 6:33
"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world..." John 18:36
also "...I am from above..." see John 8:23

In the first chapter of Acts - Jesus was seen by his disciples for forty days after his resurrection and at his departure it is written:
"When they therefore were come together, they asked him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom of Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Acts 1:6-11 KJV

And again in the book of John, when Jesus called Nathanael to follow him, he said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the son of man." John 1:31 - If aliens (extraterrestrials) exist and are visiting the earth (and I know they do), and if Jesus was the Son of God (which I know he is), might they not be likely to know about each other? Jesus is the Lord over the angels of God too. They must know him well.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matt 28:18

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. ... He which testifieth these things saith, surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus."
Rev 22:17&20KJV
"...Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth..."
Luke 11:2KJV
"Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."
Luke 12:40

In the book of Daniel (4:13):
"I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and behold, a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven..." - To whom does this refer? What is this watcher and holy one?

Perhaps the answer lies more in man's perception of the God through time, and how God has to deal with us. Which of us can truly know God? For He is more powerful than we can possibly imagine.

Maybe I should say also that I don't subscribe to the theory that the Lord God created an evil world (or universe for that matter). I believe He made a mostly good earth that is to be enjoyed, and not enslaved, abused and misused, or taken for granted. There is plenty of evil in this world. But, people who see only evil might be seeing only their own evil within. They might even call it "self-righteousness" and won't see it in themselves. Their own "self-importance" leads them astray. "He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" Micah 6:8 KJV - The difference in good and evil may be measured by something called "intent." If not intent, then it might be ignorance, stupidity, and/or negligence. The results can be the same.

And, I'm definitely not saying that all extraterrestrials are servants of God. I don't presume that, but it's probable there are many more extraterrestrial servants of the God than human servants of God. Scripture suggests that God only has the loyalty of two thirds of the angels.

"And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Rev 19:9&10

Stealth Craft:
I know it was probably around a half a year before the "Gulf War", that I'm pretty sure that I saw a prototype small stealth fighter aircraft tested in practise at night in the skies above my house. You could hear this one, like the sound of retrorockets burning (or rushing air), but I saw no glow from them. It could move very slowly that way. Maybe they sent these stealth craft to many bases in the US. I think that ETs really have no need to use retrorockets, and this one was shaped triangularly like the stealth fighters. It only had one or two small lights lit, but I only saw the underside closely. Just a few minutes before it nearly hovered about 100 feet above my house and made a turn, I had seen it heading from the beach to downtown escorted by two fighters. It was much faster than the fighters, and smaller by about half. I had assumed that it was one of our secret stealth craft, and I pretended not to notice it. I didn't "feel" like it was "extraterrestrial". We've had many "black" helicopters around here too. I know that I have seen more ufos around in times of global tensions, and I think they keep tabs on all our military abilities and technology. But also, I don't think ETs like us talking about them much anyway, since we don't know what to say. I've resolved to only treat them with love and respect myself.

At (10/27/02)
Most people who discuss ETs completely ignore the fact or possibility that they are also spiritual beings as we ourselves are, and that they are usually on a higher level of spirituality and spiritual knowledge of the one true Creator God and all His works. Not only are some ETs "real corporeal beings," that they may also be called gods or sons of God with accuracy is completely ignored by many. (In the Bible I think they prefer to be called "servants of the Living God.") But, it's also true that there are many demonic spirits about our world too. And even the Bible itself is filtered through our ability as mere human beings to understand with our minds and spirits certain truths about our place in the creation. How people accept and comprehend those words is just as important to their understanding as the description made by those words is.

Reply to seeker48: (10/29/02)
I've never claimed to be smart or well-educated here. But, I would contend that life itself is magical and miraculous. If you miss that essence of life, you won't enjoy the real purpose of being and your spiritual welfare. You don't need to tell me what I must think, and not everybody holds the same views on what the Bible says as I do. It would help if you actually read it. I find almost all of what I know from first-hand experience. I may not be able to prove it to anyone, and they may not care. But then why should I care either if no one wants to know. Spirit is the essence of our being. The physical is the manifestation of creation of the Supreme Creator according to His plan. It seems to me that there are three realms that mankind lives in - spirit, the physical body, and mental perceptions - all woven together. It is the spirit that gives the power of life to the others - the body and mind. Modern scientific man has belittled, ignored and forgotten his true being in the spirit realm. Science has been unable to explain anything about it. Modern man seems more interested in dealing death and destruction than knowing life and peace. It doesn't have to be superstitious or unknowledgeable to believe in the power and authority of a Supreme and benign Creator. The Bible said He made all things for His pleasure and purpose according to His wisdom, and I won't deny that. I believe, but that doesn't mean I'd try to force my beliefs on anyone. Just letting you or others know what my opinions are is more than plenty for me to desire to say. The Almighty is the one who does it all, choosing whom He may and revealing Himself to whomever He so chooses. I feel lucky to know these things, what little I do know. And I really don't care much how He chooses or what He chooses in His wisdom, except that I would hope for good and not evil. He has shown the way through His word and He sent our Savior; it is up to us to follow that wisdom. It is our own fault on pain of sorrow to ignore the truths He states, even if it seems that evil is now triumphant. He is much wiser than I am. I probably wouldn't have chosen to make my life in this world the way it is. But, I think changes are coming soon to this world. And my hope rests in Him. It seems my views, and your views, and others' views of reality are very different.

I should amend this and say that I do care about the how, what, and why of things, but that I'm just happy that good things happen and that His goodness becomes known. I try also to accept and learn from bad experiences as well. But I would guess that many things are also beyond my comprehension, and I believe that it is by trust and faith that we can find grace and mercy and acceptance in His presence. Many times I have considered myself an idiot, only not as much of one as most other people. :^) The truth is a better foundation than a lie for any undertaking. A liar by definition does not tell the truth all that much.

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